tv With All Due Respect Bloomberg November 27, 2016 3:00pm-4:01pm EST
♪ >> welcome to this edition of of "with the best of all the respect." democratic party wrestles with a strategy for going forward. we begin with donald trump weighing in on hillary clinton and some key policies. donald trump upheld his day today with a very old gray lady -- date today is a very old gray lady. he sat down with "the new york times." he fired off a series of tweets, canceled the interview and calling the newspaper nasty and not nice.
in the end, the incoming president sat down for an hour and 15 minute, wide ranging on the our discussion. ---- record discussion. this is as close to a press conference as we have gotten out of donald trump since july 20 seven. it did not disappoint. among the topics addressed, trump seemed to change course on climate change, saying he would keep an open mind on the paris climate accord. he also said there is quote, some connectivity between humans and climate change. trump was lukewarm on the idea of prosecuting hillary clinton for her "sins" regarding email, saying he would be divisive for the country. the incoming president disavowed groups of white supremacists who have been celebrating his election victory and defended his appointment of alt-reich figure steve bannon, and if he thought bannon was racist, he quote, wouldn't even think of hiring him. election victory and defended trump said he is following the
law and as president he has more important things to worry about than boosting his bottom line. trump fielding questions on several other subjects. nicole, there is a lot to talk about here. we are going to spend a fair amount of time talking about it and what stands out to you from this press conference? >> so first, i watched an experienced this by following maggie's tweets. this is a remarkable development that trump is ushering in. i think he's the first post-twitterverse tweeter to be elected president. as a journalist, what did you think of watching it unfold in
real-time? when george bush would have supporters in, they would come in, they would do their interview and have to go and write a story, file it. this was different to me as a communications professional. we got to experience it in real time without any sort of prioritizing. >> president-elect trump has put twitter at the center of his communication strategy and in doing it this way, in arranging this meeting with the "times" editors and having a private press conference, he sort of forces them to use his medium of choice to report on what he was saying rather than using the normal television camera and broadcast. it seems to me -- i would love to see the transcript of the whole thing.
other stories being written. it seems to me that in almost every way, apart from trashing the content -- the "times" and the way he started yesterday with network anchors, kind of criticizing him for the way they had treated him unfairly, in every other way he seemed to be trying to reassure people and turn down the temperature on his rhetoric and clumsy but trying to assuage people's fears. it was very interesting to me that the meeting yesterday, which seems to be the more bombastic donald trump, is sort of an escalation and that might
bring some people back into the fold, main stream republicans that have harbored mistrust. but i thought yesterday was sort of a chilling warning to his detractors in the media, back to sort of the bullying. i thought it was in very start contrast. >> yeah, especially if you believe that a meeting was held, a tantrum was staged and then they said i don't know who could have possibly leaked that story. now it seems it may be trump who leaked it.
every administration i have now it seems it may be trump who covered comes into power and believes it has mastered a new technological tool whether it was bill clinton with satellite television or others with facebook. in other words, we've found a way around the gate keepers, a way to communicate directly with the american people, go over their heads, around the side door. well, you can do that a little bit but in the end you still need 9 main stream media. coming up, we get a line into kellyanne conway. donald trump's senior advisor joins us next. stay tuned. covered comes into power and
tower, our next guest has been a fixture behind the scenes in donald trump's deliberations. and maybe she's going to washington, d.c.? who knows. she joins us now from trump tower. kell dell, what is the proper line for donald trump to draw regarding his business interests when he becomes president? >> whatever the legal lines dictate, of course. he'll comply with all of that and he's made clear all along that his adult children will be managing the family business. obviously these are not entry-level positions. they're already respected executives andmentees of -- in the business. you have seen their handiwork. i think the old post office building in d.c. is a great until -- example of under budget, on time work that these adult children do and we'll -- he'll do that. he has a team of lawyers and accounts and advisors who will make sure he complies with the
law. >> some suggest just complying with the law isn't enough. is it appearances as well? >> that's the typical response with the law isn't enough. is it appearances as well? of a politician, he's not been a successful businessman and job creator. apart from that i think he has to apply with the law and that should be the appearance. in other words, people will know he has a full-time job as as president and commander in as president and commander in chief. he's committed to that. he's already said he won't take a salary. he will donate that to charity. but there is no reason to believe that this man is lying or won't do what he's supposed to do upon taking office. >> the wall street journal wrote a strongly-worded editorial about this. they are not professional politicians and have been as you know certainly friendly to
capitalism. the op-ed was about the political damage to the administration if mr. trump doesn't liquidate his business holdings. he's going to be constantly scrutinized for his pecuniary interests holdings on a wide variety of issues. is "the wall street journal," from the perspective of wanting him to succeed, not being critical of him, that -- right that it might be the safest thing to liquidate the assets and move forward? >> well, first, he's already made clear he has a 100-day plan. if you are talking about the fact he wants to create 25 million jobs over 10 years and release coal and shale and other energy interests, we already know what he stands for.
it's not like he's going to invent policy based on a business he is no longer involved in or not, temporarily not involved in. but secondly, more importantly, as president of the united states he will have no authority whatsoever over what is happening in his business, what the acquisitions are. the most important part about this is people never look at the other side of the ledger. how many tens of millions of dollars has donald trump and his family sacrificed in order for him to run for president? first of all they spent a lot of money and other businesses have been in abeyance, with the three adult children also on the campaign trail and him being away from his business for a year and a half to do this and now for the next four to eight. it's actually the money they've lost that nobody wants to talk about, not what he might gain
based on different positions. >> he decided to run voluntarily >> he decided to run voluntarily so those sacrifices are ones he decided it take on himself. the question is really what rulings the e.e.o.c. or national labor relations board might bake with employees where specific businesses of his would be affected by legislate isk or legal rulings. or foreign policy with interests much his in south america or sabre -- ashea. he's not -- asia. he's not laid out his policies on those issues and they will be called into question if he makes decisions that seem to benefit his businesses. >> it sounds as if they'll be called into question no matter what. i know the results of the
election are very you have to -- tough for you to swallow, john. this man understands america and will now represent all americans but this whole line of argument is presumptively negative and accuseatory. >> with all due respect, kelly, "the wall street journal" -- >> i did -- >> you should read the article. >> you should read the article. it has nothing to did election results. it has everything this -- to did with standards. >> i did read it. no, you are presuming this does because some people are still in political campaign mode and have, like, political ptsd of sorts. you are accusing him of making policies based on things he's not even talking about. you are presuming he's doing this for the wrong reasons where
most americans that voted for him, 300 and some electoral votes, that ain't nothing, believe that he's actually going to go there and work their them, not just line his own pockets. i find a lot of argument -- of course it's your show and you are welcome to do it of course -- but i find a lot of the line of argument accusatory. >> let's switch to a new topic, rudy giuliani reportedly being how many tens of millions of considered as director of national intelligence. is that true and would he be good at that? >> he would be great at any job. mr. trump's first criteria for that or any job is that you are qualified and capable to do the job day one. secondly, i know he was out in bedminster yesterday and had a great -- >> is he being considered for director of national intelligence?
>> he's being considered for any one of a number of positions. >> is that one of them? >> could be. that's for somebody who is expert in those areas. intelligence gathering, security. he obviously is well respected around the world and would command a certain presence representing the president-elect and his administration but the fact is that when the president elect is filling his cabinet he has to think about how everyone is working together and who is the best person for each of those jobs. considered as director of national intelligence. to john's other point before, i think the diversity of people who have come through the door is just a remarkable group of men and women from different political, economic, social backgrounds, certainly different races, ethnicities and religious persuasions. it's been quite a group of people who in many cases just
wanted to come and offer advice and counsel and their vision for the country. for some that will lead or could lead to a formal position in this administration but for all of them, i assure you, they're just happy to have the time with the president-elect and the vice president-elect to share their ideas and offer their support. we're also thrilled it includes people from the other side of the aisle like tulsi gabbard and revered business people by robert johnson. and cathy mcmorris rodgers, the highest-ranking woman in congress, who gave birth three times while in congress. a remarkable personal and professional story. they just keep coming. they're folks who have been captains of industry, job seekers, job creators. it's just an incredible group of men and women, and thank you for covering it.
>> we heard from donald trump election night. that's relatively long for a president-elect the is there a reason why he's not done that? and when can we expect to hear from him? >> i think you will hear from him soon but he's incredibly busy. john, we publish his schedule every day and it's just one after another after another interview. when he's not interviewing people in person he's taking calls from people cross the globe. he's been incredibly busy doing that and then reflecting and discussing the interviews he's just had. today we had an amazing off the record meeting here with the top executives and anchors from the three major networks and a couple of the cable stations and i thought he very much enjoyed that discussion.
i thought it was a fabulous opportunity for them to be with each other and so we have the press here in the lobby every day. they have access to any number of different people coming in and out of trump tower. we make many people available to them. people were -- who are meeting with president-elect trump and we feel like this is a very transparent process where you literally can see the people coming in and out of the two buildings as they meet with the president-elect. >> has a single thing gone wrong with the transition so far? >> hm. not really. i can tell you it's high energy. great deal of excitement but the excitement is now being funneled into the very serious business of helping him make decisions on his cabinet and his senior staff. i was in washington, d.c. last week. most of our transition team is in washington, d.c. steps away
from the white house and they are, it's really remarkable to me anyway to see people standing shoulder to shoulder, millenials born after reagan left office and men and women who served on his team and in his administration. there is just this buzz of activity and focus and those people who nobody is paying attention to what they're doing. they're making sure that everything at the different agencies is as it should be, making sure they work with president obama and his current administration on these very important decisions and testimonies. so it's very exciting to all of us involved here in this and i will tell you it's going incredibly smoothly. it's like scheduling the interview version of rallies for donald trump. >> i got to ask you about one
report in "the new york post" real quick. it says during the meeting today with the network anchors and executives that at one point donald trump exploded at them in anger. is that true? >> no. that's not true. i sat right to the left in the meeting. and he's the president-elect, he won. winning solves a lot of problems and makes a lot of statements. i'm really happy that he reached out to them after a very long, bruising, hard-fought, not always fairly covered campaign. >> kellyanne conway, thank you. >> now he'll be dealing as the president-elect with the media including bloomberg. ♪
>> it wasn't justify the potential trump administration officials at the tower today. donald trump met with a number of anchors, including wolf blitzer and george stephanopoulos. "the new york post" reported tonight that the meeting did not go all that well. they said trump occasionally lashed out at some of the participants. kellyanne conway denied that a few moments ago. trump has done only one trump has done only one one-on-one interview since he became president elect and he's not p done any victory rallies, no thank you tour or veterans events or indoor photo ops since he was elected the leader of these united states. so far every person he's selected for the cabinet as administration has been announced by written notice. if you buy the notion that he's just too busy doing other innings?
or is there some other reason he's staying off camera? john: i do not buy the notion that he's too busy to do some things on camera just because all presidents are busy and they still find time to do a press conference. he han't done a speech, hasn't done any of the things you just retailed. i just think these appointments it would benefit him to explain them, makele -- the argument for in --? of these somewhat controversial people. michael flynn, jeff sessions. controversy -- controversial guys. i think in a brief way to set up the discussion of ha his notions were would help. >> my -- mark: my theory is he's enjoying doing what he wants to do.
he is enjoying the power and the media speculation and when you run for president, particular hi someone who's never done this before, a lot of his day was filled with you have to get on this plane, fly to this place. i think he's just enjoying the fact that he doesn't have to perform in public and he's taking a break from it. john: he would also like to see his home. there's that. i don't think it's disastrous he's not done more. it's just odd given owe voluble he used to be in other settings, when he used to be on trigs wall to wall. >> except that he basically did one or two events a day for most of the campaign. i think he likes to dole out portions of trump on his own time-table and right now there is just no reason for if. i do think he is having an extraordinary number of
meetings. >> -- john: i'm not going to ask you to call kellyanne conway a liar but having just read that story, given the multiple sources confirming the con tent u.s.c.ness, without impuning kellyanne conway's crebled -- credibility, there say lot of consistency throughout the accounts. mark: unless the people were trump officials, shame on the people who agreed to go to an off the record meeting and shared accounts of it. john: i do know some who that shared those accounts. mark: i can tell you this. he is mad at cnn, i can tell you that. john: i think he's pretty mad at a lot of people. mark: i would say he's particularly mad at cn nmple. john: stick around. stick around. more after these words from our
john: welcome back. the race for the presidency may be over but the race for house minority leader has just begun. join us now from his home town of youngstown, ohio is congressman time ryan, who is challenging nancy pelosi as speaker. what's wrong with her as leader? >> well, what's wrong is we keep losing. i love nancy. she's a mentor of mine and a historic figure but we keep losing. we're down 20 seats since 2010. i love nancy. she's a mentor of mine and a historic figure but we keep losing.
-- 68 seats since 2010. smallest democratic caucus we've had since 1929. we have to keep score here and if a coach keeps having losing seasons, even though it's tough, got to get a new coach. john: the leadership job in congress is both a legislative and ash job and has political implications. what makes you think you are qualified having never held a leadership position in the house before, to lead a legislative agenda in terms of trying stop donald trump's ideas? >> well, i know how to fight. i come out be youngstown politics and that's going to be important in the next two years. we can talk as democrats all we want to infrastructure or the future of work or you know, technology, all that stuff. it doesn't mean a hill be beans if
you are not in the majority. so this stuff is very integrated and i just believe that under the current leadership we cannot get the 40 or so seats we're going to need on the coasts. if we're going to get back into the majority, we've got to build up that blue wall that collapsed. we've got to go into southern states, other places. states, other places. we're going to have an -- a hell of an opportunity but we better position ourselves properly with the right message and right messengers to go out and scoop those trump voters and bring them back into the democratic fold. >> i think you won your district. do you see any parallels or are there examples you will follow from his political arc this year? year? do you see yourself and your political efforts as having any parallels to donald trump's in the way you are trying to topple
an establishment figure? he toppled 16 in my party. do you see yourself in this race? and ash job and has political implications. -- do you see yourself as the donald trump in this race? >> well, i was talking about issues that donald trump was talking about, economic issues anyway for a long time. if we're going to get back into the game as democrats it's about having a robust economic message. we can be progressive, stand up for all those very important issues we all believe in it, equality for all and all the issues we all believe in it, equality for all and all the rest. those are important but the lead issue's got to be economics, nicole.
-- do you see yourself as the donald trump in this race? we had trump disagreeing with so i'm heartbroken but look, i come out of sports. you git knocked down, you go back, watch film, figure out who the opponents are and you've got to turn the page. how many seats do we have to lose before we are willing to make a change? 70 seats? 80 seats? 90 seats? what's the number before the light bulb goes off and we say look, we have a responsibility to our kids and grandkids and our party to make a change. >> you are kind of a champion here of lunch pail economics. richard trumka, a guy who shares a lot of yours views about a lot of things, tweeted out that nancy pelosi was with us before
and after the election and that's why we're with her to be leader. what do you think to trumka? >> i love rich trumka, but we saw what happened tuesday and it's time for a change. i'm running against nancy pelosi and i'm having a lot of disagreements with people in my party. i'm pulling the fire alarm as the house is burning down. we can sit here and play the traditional game and get where we got. this is not where i want to be. we've got a lot of young people in this part that want to move up. we have a dynamic agenda. a good economy. that message is not getting out. we've got to change the quarterback and it's just time to do that. i love rich but i think we've got to go in another direction. >> coming up, two strategists come on together to talk to us.
mark: welcome back. we're bringing in two friends of the show that also happen to be brilliant political operatives. steve mcmann in washington, d.c. and kim, also in washington, d.c. nice to see you both. kim, you have had varying views about donald trump over the course of the campaign. at this moment your view of president-elect trump is? fill in the blank the >> uh, it's a wait and see approach still, i guess.
i apologize. i think he's doing fine. i think everybody's got their hair on fire, everybody needs to chill out and it will be fine. >> steve? your view maybe a little bit darger. >> a little bit darker. the real question is to what degree the republicans particularly in the senate follow him or fight him. there is already indication that some of the maverick senators, paul and sass and so on, are going to fight him. >> kim, do you think he will relish fighting with the republican establishment more or relish fighting with the democrats more? >> i think he's going to relish just being trump, which is fighting with everybody. you know, he could care less whether the republicans or the democrats who are elected
officials and have been there forever like him or not and he's proved that he'll -- he's picked some initial picks that don't go along with what some people want and then others have irked the other side of the fence. i think you will see trump be trump from here on, which is i'll do what i want, thank you very much. >> do you think the first thing he gets done might be with senator schumer? >> with his appointments you wonder what his agenda is. he seems to be rewarding the sycophants and followers rather than mitt romney and others he's paraded in there. i think he will do what is best for donald trump and donald trump's brand. if that's to cut a deal with chuck schumer, he will do it. i don't know how happy that will make his supporters but i think that's the nature of donald
trump to do what is in his interests and only his interests. >> i'll ask too a question we debated earlier on the show. that video last night was a message on his policies and messages. notably. repealing the affordable care act, building the wall, a muslim ban, locking up hillary clinton -- all those incendiary proposals not mentioned in the video at all. how do you read the absence of those from his campaign promises in his documents? >> well, i think he would say i said what i had to say to close the deal. in some respects that's a good thing, in others it's a very dangerous thing because there
are some voters who put him into office who expect him to keep the promises he made. i think the decision about secretary clinton is a smart and wise one. the affordable care act is going to be a lot more difficult to unwind than he thought and i think building the wall is ridiculous, always has been. i think he's abandoned it right now. >> kim, what did you think about that video? he looked a little bit like a conventional washington politician for maybe the first time ever in his public life. what was your take on that video? >> well, two things. one, it's what he can do in the first 100 days all by himself. so some of those campaign promises that he talked about require action, you know, from the congressional and i think what he's trying to say is i'm going to pick off the stuff i can do all by myself by issuing executive orders, etc. and get it done. then i think he will tackle the next issues. i think donald trump's supporters want more than
anything, actual actions, something to happen, something to be significantly accomplished quickly and he gets that. you are assuming on the same that donald trump should be judged on the same plane as past presidential winners and i think that we've got to stop doing that. we did that an entire campaign and he proved us wrong the role way. i think he's going to do it the way he wants to do it and i give him credit for knowing his voters and knowing that they are hungry for something tangible to be done. >> are there limits to that hunger? might that stop short with, i'm not going to deport just anybody, these are families i want to keep intact. where is he in terms of reversing -- we talked about anne coulter, how upset she will be and we might see her cry in public if he doesn't do what he said on immigration. where do you think that line is?
take immigration fir. -- first. >> well, i'd say, you know, people said something very smart. i wish i had thought it up but his voters took him seriously, not literally. so i think if he adheres to the spirit of what he said, by i -- which i think spoke to the people's fears of immigrants or refugees coming in that would put america in danger, undocumented immigrants taking jobs, if he adheres to the spirit of going forward with deporting illegal immigrants who are convicted of crimes i think that's a head nodder. i think if he gets to the
beginnings of some change and that has some more broad-brush appeal than just to his hardcore supporters, i think they'll be loke with that. at least he's doing something. that's the line i think you will hear a lot, at least he's doing something the >> well, my own view is, not surprisingly, a little bit different. i think donald trump made a number of very specific promises he -- his supporters expected him to keep. he doubled down again and again and again. there is a rule in this town that you can get almost anything done if you are president and your approval rating is high enough. if he starts adding his supporters to the list of people who decent prove him and don't like him, he's going to have a very difficult time getting anything done. the voters want very specific things that he promised to happen. he doesn't seem willing or able to do any of those things or at least many were missing in his pronouncements so far and i
don't expect you're going to see any of them the next 100 days or six months or next four years. >> steve, kim, would love to have you -- a conversation with you about the state of the democratic party but unfortunately that would have made steve weep openly. we'll be right back. >> four, count'em, four political reporters to talk about the trump transition when we come right back. ♪
>> we're joined now by a quad rangle of reporters following the trump transition. katie tur is here in new york city. we have the political reporter prosecute the "washington post"" and bloomberg's own sahil, and ashley farr. congratulations on that move. you are already a star but you are going to be super nova when you get to the washington post. i'll start with you, ashley parker. since you are -- >> in the news today. >> in the news today. correct. you have been covering donald trump for a pretty long time. what do you make of the way he is conducting himself and his transition so far? >> what's striking to me is he is sort of conducting himself and his transition exactly the way he did his candidacy, right? he's tweeting a ton about things he doesn't like. although his tweets maybe carry a little bit more power as president-elect, he's sort of holed up in trump tower and had to return there every night so he could be there, his favorite
and most comfortable space. he still has the same open-door policy with his aides and the children shuffling in and out. for people who thought he was going to win the white house and become a different donald trump, that simply hasn't happened. >> kay tur, same question. is trump conducting the transition the way you expected or doing things that are new and out of character with the old trump? >> i think you know ha my answer is, john. this is the same donald trump we saw on the campaign trail, somebody who doesn't abide by the traditional trap ps of a campaign. he's parading folks in and out of trump tower and his golf course. he's enjoying the suspense of it. he's enjoying seeing people talk all day on television about who might fill these roles.
i would bet he's taking into account the reactions of the media and his supporters and followers on twitter about various positions that he is trying to fill and who might fill those positions. so this does not seem like a different donald trump to me at all. he's still tweeting about the media and still seems to have quite a thin skin had it comes to perceived slights. so i don't think you want to say new and improved, if you want to say improved, going forward. >> and we've some appointments to this point, right? of the ones we currently know, or are currently named, are any of them in genuine political jeopardy as we turn toward this becoming an actual administration? >> well, it doesn't appear there are going to be the votes on the democratic side to hold things
up very much and as much as i think we're going to hear debate about some of the controversial statements made by some of these nominees, this is a republican administration, returning to a republican congress with their appointments. one thing strike sergeant message he sent very early on with the appointments. everyone was sort of waiting for a nod, or an olive branch from a rival. or immediately bringing in a woman or a person of color. he's bringing in some very hard-line people to the administration and that's exactly what he said he was going to do. >> and jeff sessions did, tell me about where the sessions nomination is headed. >> john, i think in addition to what katy pointed out, that
trump is approaching his transition and seems like he would govern much the way he campaigned. i think that's true both on a personality level and policy level as well. sessions has been a strong anti-immigration figure in the senate. also very much against trade deals. reflects trump's platform. and another spoke favorably about waterboarding. general flynn, who like trump has said some very negative things about muslims. so i think the early signal trump is sending is that he's going to try to carry out the promises he made. jeff sessions would have considerable authority around immigration and not only that, but legal immigration, going after businesses that hire foreign workers or try to lure workers with a promise of a green card. so there is a lot that sessions can do to try to crack down on
immigration, which was a havepiece of his platform. >> and mitt romney, there is mixed reporting. either this could all be window dressing or romney might be the front-runner. what do you know? >> so, you're exactly right. from trump's people we've sort of heard that mixed message. most of the people i've spoken with say this is a very serious meeting, not just an olive branch or for show. although i did talk to one senior advisor who said look, this is mitt romney coming to kiss the ring and trump potentially enjoying this show of groveling, but on the romney side everyone believes this is very real and it's something that he is considering, how he would respond if offered this
job. the one thing you have to understand about mitt because everybody has played those kidnaps of him really going after trump, but in addition to being ambition, he feels a deep and acute call to public service. >> katy, you have never covered covered a transition before. as is true of nearly everyone on this panel. how is the transition different to cover from the campaign? >> well, the trump transition is not that much different. they are still maintaining a relative secrecy around how they do things, trying get a better relationship or at least a better communication path between reporters and the trump
team than they were in the primaries or during the campaign, i can say but there does seem to be a level of disorganization to it. they didn't know they had to tell reporters when trump was going out to dinner. the definition of a lid seems to be a little bit beyond them. there are questions surrounding how they would govern as there were during the campaign and questions about donald trump's own promises or vows during the campaign, specifically had it comes to what he was going to do with his business. he said multiple times on the campaign trail he would give his business to his children and that would be the end of it if he were to win. we find out two weeks into the transition he hasn't quite given up the business. a number of reports now that he met with business partners in india while they were here in the united states, talking to them. ivanka and jared kushner sat in on the meeting with the japanese prime minister.
now we have a word that he may have discussed something about his business in argentina when the president of argentina called to congratulate him. the president of argentina pushing back on that claim saying they did not talk about anything other than a brief congratulations for donald trump winning. so in the respect that there are still a lot of unanswered questions and there still is very little clarity and very little access to the candidate himself, that is pretty status so in the respect that there are still a lot of unanswered quo as to what we were seeing during the campaign. he has not had a press conference, guys, since the middle of the democratic national convention, that was in july. it's been over 100 days since then. john: thank you for watching this edition of "with all due respect." if you are watching in the washington, d.c. area, you can also listen on bloomberg radio. until monday, sayonara. ♪
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